the reaction of the american right in attacking the health care bill is also pretty scary. Protecting democracy by practing fascism.
“We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity."-- Ann Coulter, speaking about Muslims
“They’re [Democrats] always accusing us of repressing their speech. I say let’s do it. Let’s repress them. Frankly, I’m not a big fan of the First Amendment. ” – Ann Coulter
The First Amendment, of course, is that which guarantees free speech.
Ann Coulter is a f***ing idiot who doesn't deserve this much attention. She doesn't represent the right (beyond a lunatic fringe) any more than the protesters represent the left.
I think this media outlet chose correctly, in trying to sensationalize the issue. We do have free speech in Canada, yet we also temper that with laws about h-te mongering.
Coulter, like the American right, are a joke.
I've recently been reviewing literature that patently shows that more equal and just societies do better on a variety of outcomes, from child mortality, rates of imprisonment, innovation, and pollution.
Simply stated, conservatism, without a strong sense of social justice is a human/society killer.
so, having watched it, not so sure what you find "scary". is it her poorly worded comment that, in canada, we value the overall cultural fabric more than "rugged individualism"? because that's the truth. i don't really find that to be scary, to be honest. in fact, i find the vaguely psycho "rugged individualism" of american culture quite a bit scarier. can you imagine canadians lining up to spit on our politicians, to call them n***er, f***ot, to destroy their offices or issue death threats to them because we don't like a bill they passed?
she's not saying we don't value or have freedom or free speech in canada, even though that's clearly how the "journalist" chooses to interpret it. and i'm sure if she could speak again she'd probably re-word that comment. her point quite clearly seemed to be that we value diversity and tolerance over the individual's rights of free speech.
in the U.S., after 9/11, 65% of americans said in a survey said that comedy routines, TV shows, and newspapers should be censored if they said anything critical of the president and his foreign policy. so much for free speech.
plus, this isn't an interview. it's a monologue by the fox "journalist", occassionally broken up by 5-10 seconds of the canadian woman before the fox lady interrupts her again to explain why she's wrong.
I hardly think that a writer for NOW in T.O. really represents university culture in Canada. Here is a snippet of what UofO has to say "The University of Ottawa has always promoted and defended freedom of expression. For that reason, we did not at any time oppose Ann Coulter’s appearance. Whether it is Ann Coulter or any other speaker, diverse views have always been and continue to be welcome on our campus.
Last night, the organizers themselves decided at 7:50 p.m. to cancel the event and so informed the University’s Protection Services staff on site. At that time, a crowd of about one thousand people had peacefully gathered at Marion Hall."
yeah, i found that funny too-- that, from all of Canada, they choose a writer from a free entertainment weekly (TO's version of Uptown) to somehow represent our whole nation and our views on free speech.
interestingly, my friend fletchie, who's from ottawa (and a cop), mentioned to me that the protest was entirely peaceful, and that it was the organizers who canceled it, even though there was no security threat whatsoever.
as he points out, the whole thing looks like (and is) a sad publicity stunt by the event's organizers (who, as denis points out, isn't the University of Ottawa, therefore equalling no one trying to limit Ann Coulter's free speech), and that all it does is keep her face in the media and keep people talking about her.
That's it. I'll never type her name on the 'net ever again, for any reason. Otherwise, she wins.
Well, the protestors seem to have played right in to her hands on this one. I would have no idea she was even speaking there. I am NOT an Coulter fan, but I do not think she is an idiot. She comes across to me as more of a walking political cartoon (satirist?). Most of her comments are purposely over the top, which stimulates convo. how does that quote go...."I may not agree which what you say, but I will defend your right to say it"?
This anchor woman is SO pompous. Just that smug face of hers...
That being said, it actually seemed to me like it was the NOW correspondent who kept on interrupting and trying to talk over her questions.
And although I agree with you guys that she probably isn't the most ideal representative of the Canadian position, she seemed to hold her own pretty well. I'm glad she called miss smug on her questioning. Always nice to see some of that on fox news.
Personally I think that this debate regarding free speech is getting completely misrepresented by the media. I mean, for starters, the woman's own team cancelled the speech. Second, there was protest, yes, but what could the uofo have done? Silenced the protesters? Would that have supported the right to free speech?
Also, that people are upset because universities should be the bastion of controversial debate and such bothers me. HELLO!! Protesting this event is exactly an exercise of that same value.
And finally it's sooooo annoying that people have actually argued that conservatives are discriminated against in this country. Puh-leeze. Does anyone remember that incident where the pro-palestinian diplomat was refused entry into the country? I wish I could remember his name. I've heard a good point made about this. Imagine if an anti-Israel activist wanted to tour Canadian universities, using the same language that Coulter uses. Just the idea itself is laughable.
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What our "representative" says at the end of the interview kinda scares me.
the reaction of the american right in attacking the health care bill is also pretty scary. Protecting democracy by practing fascism.
“We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity."-- Ann Coulter, speaking about Muslims
“They’re [Democrats] always accusing us of repressing their speech. I say let’s do it. Let’s repress them. Frankly, I’m not a big fan of the First Amendment. ” – Ann Coulter
The First Amendment, of course, is that which guarantees free speech.
Ann Coulter is a f***ing idiot who doesn't deserve this much attention. She doesn't represent the right (beyond a lunatic fringe) any more than the protesters represent the left.
I think this media outlet chose correctly, in trying to sensationalize the issue. We do have free speech in Canada, yet we also temper that with laws about h-te mongering.
Coulter, like the American right, are a joke.
I've recently been reviewing literature that patently shows that more equal and just societies do better on a variety of outcomes, from child mortality, rates of imprisonment, innovation, and pollution.
Simply stated, conservatism, without a strong sense of social justice is a human/society killer.
I mean chose their guest correctly.
so, having watched it, not so sure what you find "scary". is it her poorly worded comment that, in canada, we value the overall cultural fabric more than "rugged individualism"? because that's the truth. i don't really find that to be scary, to be honest. in fact, i find the vaguely psycho "rugged individualism" of american culture quite a bit scarier. can you imagine canadians lining up to spit on our politicians, to call them n***er, f***ot, to destroy their offices or issue death threats to them because we don't like a bill they passed?
she's not saying we don't value or have freedom or free speech in canada, even though that's clearly how the "journalist" chooses to interpret it. and i'm sure if she could speak again she'd probably re-word that comment. her point quite clearly seemed to be that we value diversity and tolerance over the individual's rights of free speech.
in the U.S., after 9/11, 65% of americans said in a survey said that comedy routines, TV shows, and newspapers should be censored if they said anything critical of the president and his foreign policy. so much for free speech.
plus, this isn't an interview. it's a monologue by the fox "journalist", occassionally broken up by 5-10 seconds of the canadian woman before the fox lady interrupts her again to explain why she's wrong.
I hardly think that a writer for NOW in T.O. really represents university culture in Canada. Here is a snippet of what UofO has to say "The University of Ottawa has always promoted and defended freedom of expression. For that reason, we did not at any time oppose Ann Coulter’s appearance. Whether it is Ann Coulter or any other speaker, diverse views have always been and continue to be welcome on our campus.
Last night, the organizers themselves decided at 7:50 p.m. to cancel the event and so informed the University’s Protection Services staff on site. At that time, a crowd of about one thousand people had peacefully gathered at Marion Hall."
yeah, i found that funny too-- that, from all of Canada, they choose a writer from a free entertainment weekly (TO's version of Uptown) to somehow represent our whole nation and our views on free speech.
interestingly, my friend fletchie, who's from ottawa (and a cop), mentioned to me that the protest was entirely peaceful, and that it was the organizers who canceled it, even though there was no security threat whatsoever.
as he points out, the whole thing looks like (and is) a sad publicity stunt by the event's organizers (who, as denis points out, isn't the University of Ottawa, therefore equalling no one trying to limit Ann Coulter's free speech), and that all it does is keep her face in the media and keep people talking about her.
That's it. I'll never type her name on the 'net ever again, for any reason. Otherwise, she wins.
actually i see now that it wasn't fletchie the cop who said that, but actually his brother who used to sleep in for work a lot.
Well, the protestors seem to have played right in to her hands on this one. I would have no idea she was even speaking there. I am NOT an Coulter fan, but I do not think she is an idiot. She comes across to me as more of a walking political cartoon (satirist?). Most of her comments are purposely over the top, which stimulates convo. how does that quote go...."I may not agree which what you say, but I will defend your right to say it"?
This anchor woman is SO pompous. Just that smug face of hers...
That being said, it actually seemed to me like it was the NOW correspondent who kept on interrupting and trying to talk over her questions.
And although I agree with you guys that she probably isn't the most ideal representative of the Canadian position, she seemed to hold her own pretty well. I'm glad she called miss smug on her questioning. Always nice to see some of that on fox news.
Personally I think that this debate regarding free speech is getting completely misrepresented by the media. I mean, for starters, the woman's own team cancelled the speech. Second, there was protest, yes, but what could the uofo have done? Silenced the protesters? Would that have supported the right to free speech?
Also, that people are upset because universities should be the bastion of controversial debate and such bothers me. HELLO!! Protesting this event is exactly an exercise of that same value.
And finally it's sooooo annoying that people have actually argued that conservatives are discriminated against in this country. Puh-leeze. Does anyone remember that incident where the pro-palestinian diplomat was refused entry into the country? I wish I could remember his name. I've heard a good point made about this. Imagine if an anti-Israel activist wanted to tour Canadian universities, using the same language that Coulter uses. Just the idea itself is laughable.
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